Comments on: Arjo Klamer @ New Cultural Networks Conference

By: economiacreativa

economiacreativa — Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:16:01 +0000

Catedratico Arjo Kramer intervendrá en el Máster Arjo Klamer @ New Cultural Networks Conference http://t.co/cdFDgl2Q vía @silvertje

By: klamer

klamer — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:21:16 +0000

Thanks for the report. I especially like the mentioning of the technique of presenting as it points to the merits of old techniques and the limitations of the new ones.
One correction: the third sphere is a derivative of the oikos (the home) and refers to all social interactions that, I think, generate most important values, the values that matter such as cultural values.

As to the web discussion, I agree with the criticism, but am pleased with the response of Susan MacDonald. I was evoking the notion of the creative commons with as the main point that in that commons values are being realized in ways that are distinct from the logics of the market and the government sphere.

By: anne

anne — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:59:36 +0000

You are absolutely right. My main problem with Klamer’s argument was that he did not mention (or know) the history of the Internet in relation to the logic of the government/market.

Indeed the Internet is now more located in the commons but the logic and the influence of the market is still playing a huge role. Save the Internet is the prime example of an initiative that is fighting the influence of the market on the Internet. It tries to keep the Internet in the realm of the commons while the market is trying to pull it out of that realm.

By: susan macdonald

susan macdonald — Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:58:55 +0000

Yes, the original networks of the Internet and the idea of a World Wide Web may have been government-based. Furthermore, governments regulated those fat “pipes” that could handle the heavy data that now course through them.

And yes, spectrum became furiously marketable in the 90′s when cable and telephone companies, with their already-established worldwide networks, realized the spectacular potential of the Internet and accompanying value of high-speed connectivity.

But it is the people, the commons, the allure of free speech and expression that gave rise to and have given shape and form and content to the entity we know as the Internet. It is far less market- and government-controlled than our radio and television networks. Indeed, it’s the largest collective, ongoing, creative expression of the common people the world has ever known.

By: Masters of Media » New Cultural Networks - You Google My Second Space

Masters of Media » New Cultural Networks - You Google My Second Space — Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:35:40 +0000

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